PAK FA Stealth Fighter Maneuver [HD]

The Sukhoi PAK FA is a twin-engine stealth jet fighter being developed by Sukhoi for the Russian/Indian Air Force. The Sukhoi T-50 is the prototype for PAK FA. The PAK FA is one of only a handful of stealth jet programs globally.

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25 Responses to “PAK FA Stealth Fighter Maneuver [HD]”

  1. MarshallJukov January 19, 2012 at 10:00 pm #

    @88mroux Really? May be you tell me what i don`t know exactly? LOL))

  2. RaaGoneFishing January 19, 2012 at 10:25 pm #

    @hotpocketpoison Anyway the United states has to cut huge amounts off military spending and so your time is basically up, America is not going to be much in ten years because your country basically borrows more than it can afford to pay back and your military basically destoyed your economy just like what happened in the Soviet Union, the future is with Brazil Russia India and China to be the leading economies in the future while the west decays in debt, cant wait.

  3. RaaGoneFishing January 19, 2012 at 11:10 pm #

    @hotpocketpoison 100% inferior you must be mad, Both countries excel in certain fields so many actually,the F-22 has been cancelled for cost and I believe for other reasons aswell,they didnt even sell the F-22 to Isreal and America has a huge Jewish lobby in congress,the PAK FA is on the same level as the F-22,however the F-35 the US and NATO plan to mass produce is shit compared to the Pak FA,only reason why Russia is a bit behind today is because of the depression in Russia in the 90′s.

  4. 88mroux January 19, 2012 at 11:45 pm #

    @MarshallJukov Dude, you don’t really know anything about the F-22 Raptor.

  5. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 12:02 am #

    @nakazatoGTR
    Yeah and it needed an upgrade long before it came into service, but actualy no upgrade can fix this crap in the first place.

  6. nakazatoGTR January 20, 2012 at 12:32 am #

    T-50 is still in ops- eval, the 22, now in service.

  7. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 12:46 am #

    @dshornet1
    It is not much different, F-22 has one of the hottest jet engines ever created and its exhaust is just the same. It perfectly seen in IR imaging video i posted.
    T-50 has no similar TVC – it has 2-plane TVC while F-22 has just 1-plane TVC

    Case is that T-50 is superior to F-22 not only in WVR but in BVR combat too, hands down. In fact even Flanker does F-22 easily.
    Answer to the question in that article but with F-22 instead F-35:
    ausairpower. net/APA-NOTAM-05072010-1. html

  8. dshornet1 January 20, 2012 at 12:56 am #

    Actually, F-22 exhaust is much different. Also, T-50 is getting similar TV Nozzles. The F-22 is stealthy, much moreso than the T-50 *its low visibility is only from the front like another aircraft currently*, but the T-50 is more maneuverable or so it is claimed to be, so if the 22 somehow got within range *unlikely* of the T-50, I’m fairly certain the Raptor would lose. After all, Russian aircraft are known for being agile.

  9. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 1:49 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    Exhaust of F-22 is no different to that of other jetfighters. At all.

    Flares do not resemble anything, they burn at 1000-1500 celsium, each had chance to saturate 1st gen IR seekers, mainly that of MANPADs just for miliseconds (thats why usuaky multiple flares launched). Flares became useless against AA missile seekers already at the end of 1970s. Same period all AAD and airborne FLIR became immune to it too.

  10. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 2:44 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    That is just your clueless mantras, in reality F-22 doesn`t even has FLIR nor HMS, this alone makes it totaly inferior. Just as its radar has 120 degrees coverage while Flankers have it 240.

    R-37 and KS-172 isn`t just AWACS killers – they do fighters just fine, aspecialy KS-172 which is airborne version of 3M83 missile from S-300. You trying to deny that S-300`s missiles capable to take down jetfighters? LOL

  11. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 3:37 am #

    Unlike F-22 our first VLO aircraft does NOT relies on it as major factor of succes, because we always knew it just does not works out.

    MoEWD was created in USSR by 6 labs in 1950s, works of just ONE of them where Pyotr Ufimcev was director was allowed to be published in Soviet Radio magazine issue 1962, that is how it got into USA. This was a set up for US MIC, to create useless ultra expensive aircrafts, while USSR concentrated on perfecting low band radar tech

  12. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 3:43 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    Thats right, and X-band has wavelength of 2,5-3,75 cm, so 6mm RAM will be effective.
    To made it effective in L-band (15-30cm) you need 19mm RAM which is already impossible for aircraft. To make your RAM structure effective in VHF (10-100cm) you need…62mm RAM. In 10m-100m wavelength (which many Russian radars operate) you need to have 625cm thick RAM.

    Most funny part than any TV relay station for example will illuminate F-22 in VHF making it visible LOL))

  13. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 4:28 am #

    @MarshallJukov the F-22 is in no way behind in sensor fusion, it utilizes the most advanced technology in its sensor fusion. also the R-77 may outrange the AIM-120D but the R-37 and KS-172 are not able to attack fighters, they are AWACS killers.

  14. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 5:21 am #

    @MarshallJukov -detect their targets the F-22(which obviously had a much smaller exhaust wave than the other fighters)would be less susceptible to them, decreasing their range against it. also flares and decoys have been made to perfectly resemble the engines of almost any plane in heat, making it difficult for a missile to tell the difference between the 2.

  15. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 5:59 am #

    @MarshallJukov X-band is susceptible to RAM, RAM can be easily made thick enough to effect X-band radar waves. again, add this with state of the art RAM, and purpose shaping and a stealth aircraft could(from the frontal aspect)achieve a RCS that low. also it is obvious russia does not understand as much about EWD because they have only just built their first LO aircraft, which still has lower stealth characteristics than the F-22 which as introduced 13 years ago. also since IRST rely on heat to-

  16. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 6:55 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    You do know that F-22 isn`t the only jetfighter to have RWR system do you?)) Talkinbg about passive sensor fusion F-22 completely laggs behind even Su-30.

    F-22 will be detected and destroyed way way before it will reach range of AIM-120D, Not only because Flankers and T-50 will detect it well outside its NEZ versus their missiloes, but because their missiles greatly outrange AIM-120D. Aspecialy ramjet R-77PD, R-37 and KS-172

  17. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 7:33 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    Because laws of physics are universal and because USSR/Russia has MUCH more knowlege on Edge Waves Diffraction theory because we created it.
    No manned aircraft can have 0,0001 m^2 RCS in X-band.

  18. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 8:18 am #

    @MarshallJukov -its radar on at all times,it can simply wait until the RWR start to sound(indicating the presence of an enemy aircraft)and THEN activate its radar,detect and engage the target,and then deactivate the radars,and repeat the process until every enemy has been destroyed. tactics also play a part in remaining undetected.

  19. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 9:12 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    Besides IR-seekers isn`t the problem – problem is powerfull FLIR with catadioptric lens on Flankers and T-50 which will guide R-77 and alike mid-cource with ANY seeker installed on them.

  20. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    @MarshallJukov how would the T-50 creators have any idea what the RCS of the F-22 is? the RCS has been stated by lockheed to be 0.0001(the size of a steel marble). also with 3rd gen RAM and coatings compared to the 1st gen RAM and coatings of the F-117 there is no possible way he F-117 could have a lower RCS than the F-22, maybe based on purpose shaping alone, but if we include RAM the F-22 has a far lower RCS. also the RWR of the F-22 is over 460km, meaning the F-22 would not even need to have-

  21. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    Its your halucinations only, everybody see than IR signature of F-22 is just the SAME as ANY other jetghter has. And F-22 does NOT uses afterburner on that vid at all.

    IR seekers, aspecialy that of serious AA missiles are IMMUNE to flares for over 40 years by now. They just filter it by temperature which is 3-10 times higher than jet engine exhaust.

  22. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 11:08 am #

    @hotpocketpoison
    0,4 figure is minimum RCS given to F-22 by T-50 creators. That is almost twice more than MiG-21-93 with -10Db RAM has – 0,25m^2.
    0,00001 m^2 figures for F-22 is scientific nonsense created to please amateurs.
    No blended facets can help F-22 to have more EDW optimized shape than F-117 does. Just as no S-shape intakes can – they reduce RCS but not eliminate it. F-117 simply has no intakes there.
    So by far F-117 was most stealthest a/c (in X-band)

  23. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    @MarshallJukov watch?v=PLzD1SCk__g but when you compare it to OTHER aircraft its IR signature is virtually non existent, only in afterburner, BUT thanks the the extremely high supercruise speed the F-22 would rarely be using its afterburner in combat anyway, not to mention IR flares themselves would be have a brighter picture than the F-22, meaning a heat seeking missile(like the R-77)would follow them instead of the F-22.

  24. MarshallJukov January 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm #

    @hotpocketpoison
    I know what is LPI exactly, orders of magnitude than you do. In order to recieve emmited signal LPI radar needs to stay at same frequency untill radiowave travels to target and gets back. At 100km range it takes 0,0007 sec, plus radar latency and we getalmost 0,003.In other words not more than 1000-1500 pulses per second instead dozens of thousands. = reduced poweroutput = reduced range = reduced accuracy and so on

    Spread spectrum tech makes it a waste at all

  25. hotpocketpoison January 20, 2012 at 1:06 pm #

    @MarshallJukov -this makes the F-22 far superior in the field of stealth when compared to the F-117.

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